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WATCH: Arizona Senator Karen Fann Says Senate Doesn’t Have Power to Recall Electors, Talks Next Steps


Maricopa County has been anything but cooperative during the forensic audit.

From not answering basic questions to referring auditors to lawyers, Maricopa County refuses to be helpful.

Even when threatened with subpoenas, Maricopa County blatantly disregards the law.

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann has gone on record saying how frustrating Maricopa County is STILL withholding information.

The Audit team’s forensic review won’t be 100% complete without this information.

Cyber Ninjas and CyFIR, members of the Audit team, say they cannot finish their work until they receive wireless routers and voting machine tokens from Maricopa County.

Additionally, Maricopa County won’t sit down with the Senate and look at the anomalies from the audit.

If you have nothing to hide, why not give the auditors what they need?

In an interview on OAN, Senator Fann discussed the next steps for the audit.


Fann’s next steps include talking with their attorney this week and likely issuing new subpoenas and going back to court.

How can we the people help?

In the OAN interview, Fann says the public should get ahold of elected officials to ask, “why aren’t you helping with the audit?”

She urged voters to contact the Board of Supervisors in Maricopa County, as anyone on the board can step up to assist with the audit.

How soon can we expect next steps?

Karen Fann said they need that additional information from the County before a time frame can be given.

The longer Maricopa County takes to turn over their routers, the worse they look!

Karen Fann also mentioned in the interview that the Senate does not have the Constitutional authority to recall the electors.

However, she says they will turn everything over to the Attorney General at the State and Federal level and Congress.

The Epoch Times has more on the story:

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican, said the state Senate doesn’t have the ability to recall electors for the Nov. 3, 2020, election, after a fellow Republican lawmaker called for new elections.

Fann told One America News Network (OANN), which has been covering the audit of Maricopa County, that the upper chamber has the ability to provide auditors with the materials they need—including through the use of subpoenas—but the certification of electors is a different matter.

“The Senate body—we do not have the authority to do that. So, this is what we have said, and I want to make this very clear on the record,” the Republican state leader said on July 16.

Fann’s comments came as former President Donald Trump issued a statement declaring that the audit revealed there were irregularities and fraud that would have swayed the election in his favor last year. On July 15, the Senate held a hearing in the midst of a months-long review carried out by Florida-based tech firm Cyber Ninjas and teams told lawmakers they discovered discrepancies.

Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, told senators that auditors couldn’t find any record of Maricopa County sending more than 74,000 mail-in ballots and also discovered that around 18,000 people voted, but were taken off voter rolls “soon after the election.” He also noted that there were “11,326 people who were not on the voter rolls on Nov. 7, 2020, but appeared on the rolls on Dec. 4, 2020, and 3,981 people who voted after registering after Oct. 15, 2020.”

After the hearing, some Republican senators called for Arizona’s 11 electors—who went for Biden—to be recalled.

“A new election must be conducted. Arizona’s electors must not be awarded fraudulently & we need to get this right,” Sen. Wendy Rogers, a Republican, wrote in a pair of Twitter posts last week.

But Fann, in her OANN interview, said that the Senate in this situation only has “the ability to subpoena information because we make laws,” noting that they’re “entitled to have the information to determine how to write those laws.”

“That’s why we are successful in court, and that’s what we’re doing. It’s all about election integrity. It’s not about the Trump–Biden race. It’s not about the Kelly–Martha McSally race,” Fann remarked, referring to the 2020 presidential election that saw the inauguration of President Joe Biden, as well as the U.S. Senate race that was won by Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.).

Following the hearing, Maricopa County officials and Democrats such as Secretary of State Katie Hobbs claimed that the audit team and Senate Republicans are incompetent and said their findings shouldn’t be taken seriously.

For months, Maricopa County executives and Republican senators were embroiled in a legal tug-of-war over the county’s ballots and election equipment. Ultimately, a judge ruled that the Senate does indeed have the subpoena power to carry out the audit, which began in April.

Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Jack Sellers, a Republican, said in a statement after the hearing that “what we heard today represents an alternate reality that has veered out of control since the November General Election” and “Senate leadership should be ashamed they broadcast the half-baked theories of the ‘Deep Rig’ crowd to the world today.”

You can watch Karen Fann’s full interview safely on Rumble below:

As soon as the Arizona results are out, other states will fall in line quickly.

Because nothing can stop the freight train of audits!

Even the Mainstream Media can’t stay away from reporting about the Maricopa County Audit.

The fact that Maricopa County is acting very shady about the routers is not going unnoticed, either.

Check out what Yahoo News reported about Maricopa County:

The Republican-led Arizona Senate held a hearing on Thursday in which witnesses involved with the Maricopa County 2020 election audit stressed the need for additional materials or else they’ll risk presenting an “incomplete” review.

Members of the auditing team contracted by Senate President Karen Fann, which includes Cyber Ninjas and cybersecurity group CyFIR, said they need wireless routers and voting machine tokens to finish their work — access the county has denied so far.

They also requested a door-to-door canvass, which previously drew a warning from the U.S. Justice Department it could violate federal laws barring voter intimidation.

“If we don’t get them, it will be an incomplete report, it will be an incomplete audit, and that’s what the findings will reflect,” said Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, a private firm based in Florida criticized for its lack of prior audit experience.

Efforts to obtain more election-related materials will likely mean more subpoenas and a new litigation battle, the witnesses and Fann indicated on Thursday, as officials with the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors have criticized and resisted the Senate’s audit efforts. The audit only got underway in April after a judge ruled in February the Arizona Senate’s subpoenas at the time were “legal and enforceable.”

CyFIR founder Ben Cotton stated it is “critically important” to obtain routers owned by the county, saying they would help clarify specific vulnerabilities he claimed existed in Maricopa’s digital election system. Cotton also said the antivirus software on the county hasn’t updated the election management system since “August of 2019.”

Maricopa County Attorney Allister Adel argued providing the county’s routers “could jeopardize the security of law enforcement data,” echoing claims by Democratic Sheriff Paul Penzone.

“We cannot update our systems through security patches. That is why we maintained an air gapped system. Installing security patches would be changing the system that was certified,” the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office tweeted on Thursday, citing U.S. Election Assistance Commission policies.

Logan encouraged the Arizona Senate to resume door-to-door canvassing plans, saying, “It’s the one way to know for sure whether the data we’re seeing are real problems.”

Fann said in a May letter the Legislature tabled its plans to send canvassers to homes to inquire about voter participation in the 2020 general election after the Justice Department said the efforts might constitute voter intimidation.

Logan also claimed the county did not deliver all external hard drives he said contains “election definitions, election results, backups, or similar data,” noting the audit team only received “one of them.”

Logan said the team needed “any portable media or external drives that have not been given prior subpoenas associated with election specifically.”

The mostly Republican Maricopa Board of Supervisors has contended with concerns raised by Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, mainly that certified contractors are not conducting the review. This week, she approved a plan to spend $2.8 million to replace subpoenaed election equipment it deemed disqualified for reuse.

Board of Supervisors Chairman Jack Sellers said Thursday’s hearing “represents an alternate reality that has veered out of control” and called on Senate leaders to “stop accusing us of not cooperating when we have given you everything qualified auditors would need to do this job.”

“Senate leadership should be ashamed they broadcast the half-baked theories of the ‘Deep Rig’ crowd to the world today,” Sellers said. “Finish your audit, release the report, and be prepared to defend it in Court.”

Democrats in the Arizona Senate refused to attend the hearing they viewed as a sham, partly because of the format.

“If you’re going to hold an actual hearing and allow us to ask questions and answer the questions, we’re all in,” Rebecca Rios, the minority leader, told the Arizona Capitol Times.

Officials affiliated with the audit — including Arizona Senate Liaison Ken Bennett, who also spoke at the hearing Thursday — have said a comprehensive review of the recount will be made available by the end of the summer. However, Thursday’s hearing suggests a much more drawn-out affair, especially if it goes to court again.

The hearing comes after Fann saying in a Tuesday interview on KTAR that an audit tally of ballots differed from the count by Maricopa County officials but did not provide evidence or a size discrepancy, noting the auditors “haven’t released a number yet.”

President Joe Biden won Arizona by more than 10,000 votes out of more than 3.3 million across the state. His lead of roughly 2 percentage points was due partly to his advantage in Maricopa County, where the Democrat scored nearly 45,000 more votes than former President Donald Trump.

Critics of the audit said the results from two previous election machine audits conducted for the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors showed no irregularities in the county’s 2020 election.

Trump, who insists the 2020 election was stolen from him, issued a statement following the hearing, honing in on Logan saying the auditor found “74,243 mail-in ballots, where there is no clear record of them being sent” — a claim that Maricopa County’s Twitter account addressed in a fact-check thread.

“The irregularities revealed at the hearing today amount to hundreds of thousands of votes or, many times what is necessary for us to have won,” Trump claimed.

Fann, who presided over the hearing alongside Senate Judiciary Chairman Warren Petersen, restated on Thursday the audit is “not about Trump” and will provide information that can be used to create new election-focused legislation.

“This is not about overturning the election. This has never been about anything other than election integrity,” Fann added.

Election integrity shouldn’t be a partisan issue.

Maricopa County SHOULD want to be transparent with taxpayers regardless of party affiliation.

What kind of incriminating evidence are they withholding on those routers?

Could it be foreign election interference?

Since Maricopa County seems unlikely to respond to the Senate’s requests, Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich may need to step in.

Thankfully, He is a champion for fair and honest elections and has already prosecuted cases of voter fraud.

Time will tell if Maricopa County follows through and hands over the last pieces of the puzzle for the forensic audit.

One way or another, Maricopa County’s day of reckoning is near.

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